Calciopoli: The Father of Our Primavera

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   hari hahahaWed Feb 22 at 10:55 am

   yeah it’s only matter of time to see youngsters play in first team regularly

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   syauqi_yoshiWed Feb 22 at 12:12 pm

   Bagaimanapun Turunya Juve ke serie B merupakan pengalaman paling pahit buat saya selama mengenal Juve,tapi selalu ada kebaikan disetiap kepahitan, selain muncul pemain2 muda semacam Marchisio saya juga mengerti Grinta sesungguhnya,melihat Juve dengan cara berbeda dan scudetto yang akan datang entah tahun ini atau dalam waktu dekat akan terasa sangat amat sangat super menyenangkan
   Semoga kita bisa liat pemain2 primavera ini menjadi tulang punggung si Nyonya Besar esok hari

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      kalinindevinThu Feb 23 at 3:00 am

      betul bro rasa pahit itu ada, but for me the moment had passed. Sudah tidak ada gunanya saya triak2 juve BUKAN maling (spt yg saya lakukan 4-5 thn lalu) toh selama tidak ada tindakan tegas dr lembaga hukum Italia, kasus ini tidak akan kemana2. Rasa letih itu sudah memuncak 2010 lalu sehingga saya jg memutuskan lebih baik membangun kembali Juventus dari sisa puing2 yang ada.

      Masuknya Marotta spt angin segar terutama utk youth sector Juve. Tangan kanan Marotta, Paratici, benar2 jeli dalam melihat talenta pemain2 muda. Ini adalah satu langkah signifikan dlm membangun kembali dinasti Juve. Tentunya spt yg saya blg, tanpa calciopoli mungkin saya tidak ada di twitter, bahkan tidak ada di blog ini. Tanpa calciopoli siapa yg peduli gaji pemain brp? bagaimana neraca keuangan Juve? bagaimana anak2 muda Juventus berkembang? Skrg semua berbondong2 meminta detail sekecil apapun mengenai Juventus! Sadar tidak sadar, calciopoli lah yg menyebabkan itu semua.
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   buzzorionzWed Feb 22 at 4:31 pm

   betul mas kalinindevin. Calciopoli tidak akan meruntuhkan kebesaran juve, justru dari situ muncul juventino2 selanjutnya yang akan melanjutkan sejarah panjang panji kebesaran nyonya tu. Menurut saya, Moggi cenderung cerdas dalam mengoptimalkan pemain2 yang matang/setengah matang. dalam hal ini saya menilai Il trap sedikit lebih bagus dalam menemukan bakat terpendam. contohnya adalah pemain muda kita yang menembus tim inti pada era 90an. La Bandiera-alex del piero, serta pemain2 “cinderella” macam toricelli, di livio, datang pada era trap. CMIIW mas hehhehe

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      kalinindevinThu Feb 23 at 3:18 am

      Klo boleh jujut, kemampuan Moggi melihat talent bisa dibilang ‘lumayan’ saja. Toh selain byk transfer2 dia yg berhasil byk jg yg menjadi blunder utk klub, spt Esnaider, O’brien, Olliseh, Perotta, Henry, dll…Cuma yg membedakan dia adalah bagaimana mencium peluang utk mendatangkan pemain. Contoh spt davids yg dia dpt dgn harga miring ketika dia mencium ketidak betahan sang pemain di milan. Begitu jg Cannavaro dr inter.

      Masalah bakat muda, Moggi sendiri spt yg saya jelaskan di atas tidaklah buruk. Dalam melihat talenta mereka Moggi bisa dibilang cukup baik. Dr jaman Konko, Cassani, Palladino, Sculli mereka semua skrg menjadi tumpuan di klub masing2 (walaupun sayang tidak di Juve). Tp yg disayangkan mengapa sampai setelat ini mereka baru mekar? Cassani adalah angkatan 2002 tp baru berkembang 2-3 thn terakhir, begitu jg Palladino yg musim terbaiknya berada di Genoa sekitar 2008 padahal sudah berada di Juve dr 2002. Begitu jg dgn Konko yang sudah berusia 27 thn br dikenal publik?! Ditambah Giuseppe Sculli yg sudah berada di Juve dr 1999 yang musim terbaiknya br terjadi ketika berada di Genoa bersama Milito sekitar 2008.

      spt yg saya jelaskan lg diatas, tidak sehrsnya mereka mekar ‘setelat’ ini mengingat bakat yg mereka miliki. Namun mengapa mereka dipinjamkan ke tim macam Crotone atau Livorno saat masih dimiliki Juventus? Mengapa tidak mencari klub yg memang sesuai dengan gaya bermain si pemain sehingga lebih meleluasakan dia utk berkembang. Itulah major concern saya thdp Moggi dan primavera saat itu.
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   riwa50Wed Feb 22 at 5:34 pm

   the fact is, Juventus Primavera won Viareggio Cup 4 times during Moggi’s Juve (1994, 2003, 2004, 2005) but only few player success at first team of squad.

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      kalinindevinThu Feb 23 at 2:52 am

      Moggi took over in 1994 and his role was pretty minor back then (not managing director) so, regardless, 94 primavera was not his work. It was the side that had Chris Manfredini (ex Lazio and Chievo) and also Del Piero, and god knows these two were not Moggi’s recruitment.

      There are few good players during Moggi’s era, Konko (Lazio right back), Cassani (Fiorentina), and Palladino (parma) too bad management didn’t really see their potential back then.
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   @luthfifawwazWed Feb 22 at 9:17 pm

   Merasakan pahit itu penting. Karena kalau tidak merasakan pahit, maka kita tidak tahu bagaimana rasanya manis. #forzaJUVE

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   juventyoThu Feb 23 at 10:44 am

   “I, myself, must admit that Calciopoli got me reborn as a Juventini” setuju banget sama kata2 ini. Sebelum calciopoli gue ga peduli2 amat sama Juve (walau gue uda mutusin jadi Juventino dari 2001) tapi sebelumnya cuma kaya orang2 ngedukung klub kesukaan masing2. Setelah Calciopoli gue baru lebih belajar tentang Juve, legenda2nya, filosofinya (yg masi gue pelajarin sampe sekarang), dan terutama primavera nya. Dari situ gue baru tau rocchi itu ex juve, soal kegagalan henry di juve, dll. Dua sisi calciopoli, seperti dua sisi mata uang. Kita berharap Juve bakal kembali seperti dulu. Soal Marotta, dari awal gue uda setuju sama dia walau di ingatan gue masi segar penolakan2 juventino lain pas dia dateng dari samp, tapi gue yakin karena beliau bisa menyulap sampdoria yg biasa aja jadi salah satu tim yg lumayan. Ieri, Oggi, Domani, Sempre Juventus!

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      kalinindevinThu Feb 23 at 11:00 am

      Banyak perubahan dr calciopoli di mata semua org baik juventini atau bukan. Saya sendiri mungkin ga akan ada di twitter/blog ini tanpa calciopoli. Semua diundang untuk lebih kritis terhadap tim kesayangan. Semua diundang utk berpendapat dan bertukar pikiran.

      Walaupun sudah ngefans sm Juve dr 94an tp saya akui jaman dulu saya ga terlalu peduli ttg detail2 Juventus spt bagaimana primavera, bagaimana kondisi keuangan juve, bagaimana kondisi di ruang ganti etc. Tp ya mungkin jg krn dulu semua sangat baik2 saja jd ya apa jg yg perlu di cari2?? But well dr sisi primavera jujur byk bgt ngerubah saya sbg pencinta Juventus. Dan ini cuma menjanjikan satu hal: for the better future
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   juventyoThu Feb 23 at 11:50 am

   Wah 94? Baru umur 1 taun :p. Yap, dulu semua asik , menang mulu. Tapi kalo kata poison “every rose has it thorn, just like every has it’s dawn” gaada yg sempurna, jadi 2006 itu kesetiaan kita diuji. Ada yg makin taat, ada yg membangkang hehehe

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   EGThu Feb 23 at 12:39 pm

   Sebelum Moggi, pemain-pemain muda jarang dapat kesempatan dan sangat sulit menembus tim utama dikarenakan kualitas tim utama saat itu sudah world class. Akhirnya Moggi lebih banyak menggunakan pemain2 muda untuk barter sana-sini untuk menambah kualitas tim utama. Carini mungkin bukan dari primavera kita, tapi barter Carini dengan Cannavaro adalah contoh barter sukses yang pernah dilakukan Moggi.

   Fokus pada Primavera tahun ini menurut gw bukan semata-mata faktor Calciopoli & Marotta atau Paraticci, tapi lebih kepada persiapan menghadapai Financial Fair Play.

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      kalinindevinFri Feb 24 at 4:25 am

      Pastinya FFP tetap berpengaruh pada setiap langkah yg tim ambil. Tp poinnya kan, akankah ada urgency untuk mematangkan pemain muda klo saja calciopoli tidak ada? FFP itu kan aturan yg masih bisa ‘dipolitikin’, let’s say chelsea (tim paling riskan) yg skrg disponsorin samsung. Nanti pas FFP sah, abramovich pakai salah satu industrinya saja utk mensponsori chelsea. Sah2 saja bukan? toh at the end of the day yg penting club’s turnover. Of course this is just the simplest idea. And of course FFP will play part as well in youth development at Juventus. Apakah tanpa calciopoli Marchisio, at least, akan dapat bermain sebanyak ini?

      Aturan baru, lingkungan baru atau trend baru, semua pasti berpengaruh atas perkembangan primavera di setiap tim. Namun di Juventus, calciopoli bekerja sebagai alarm klub yang tidak bisa di SNOOZE dalam perkembangan youth sector. Bagaimana bila end upnya akan menjadi back up semata? Jujur saya pun tidak keberatan selama bisa diandalkan dalam saat2 penting daripada buang2 uang pada pemain spt davide baiocco. Intinya pengembangan Primavera syukur2 bisa jd pemain bintang, tp klo ‘hanya’ menjadi bagian skuad Juventus rasa2nya itu masih sebuah prestasi mengingat reputasi Juventus dalam youth development selama ini….
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   AnthonyThu Feb 23 at 12:57 pm

   How many of those young players back then turned out to be amazing players lol? Maybe Moggi didn’t send them to clubs where they would gain the experience they needed. But he always used these players in player exchange deals to help us get other better players.
   I don’t know about you guys, but I think even though the primavera did very well back then, you need to be something special to break into the first team. Players like Tomasso Rocchi and Davide Chiumento aren’t exactly super stars.
   Maybe under Moggi players like Marchisio wouldn’t have broken into the first team, but it wouldn’t have been because he failed, it would have been because the team was already filled with world class talent.
   Our youth players right now have a chance of breaking into the first team in the near future because our team is still being built and needs reinforcement. But 10 years from now it’s going to be significantly harder for that generation of primavera players to break into the team.

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      AnthonyThu Feb 23 at 1:00 pm

      Also, these primavera players haven’t proved anything yet. So how are they automatically better than the primavera players of the past? The only reason players like Marchisio managed to break into the team was because Secco signed crap like Tiago. Lets see if this new generation of primavera can break into a team with quality in it already.

      Also, keep in mind that Juve has a greater budget for transfers now a days than compared to Moggi’s time. Moggi needed to fund transfers by selling players. That was the only way. Whether he would sell someone like Zidane and use that money to rebuild the team, or whether he sold youth players to raise funds for a player. He had to do it in order to have a budget. It was the only way.

      The only thing I agree with is that calciopoli created more of a ‘family atmosphere’ at the club that hopefully continues. But you give Moggi the same budget Juve has these days and he’d be able to do a lot more without sacrificing youth too.
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      AnthonyThu Feb 23 at 1:18 pm

      Stuff like the genuine interest in the primavera is great, and I hope that continues. But the main cause of that is the lack of success the first team has had. So obviously the youth team winning the viareggio becomes a bigger deal for the fans.

      And since Juve are actually given a real budget to work with, they don’t need to sacrifice youth players in player exchange deals or to generate funds. If Moggi had that luxury, he might have had a lot more success developing youth. Besides, we still have to see how this current batch of primavera fully develop. Too soon to say at this point.
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      kalinindevinFri Feb 24 at 3:45 am

      Well again i strictly stated my point that it’s just so weird as a club who has most of its players represent many national teams, Juve didn’t produce any from their youth sector during Moggi’s days. But of course there is too much competition in the team back then. But all I’m saying is with a better direction post primavera some players might’ve been useful instead of splashing cash on sunday olliseh, juan esnaider, thierry henry, or Ronnie O’brien (this one is free but still…)

      Of course it’s too early to say they are better, BUT there is a genuine hope and expectation around this primavera team. And looking how the management treating the team, i think it’s fair to say that they are promising. While in the olden days there was no such expectation (well at least for me), at some level we knew that they would end up somewhere no matter how good they were back then. And again I still firmly believe primavera would not get the same treatment as today if calciopoli didn’t happen.
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      kalinindevinFri Feb 24 at 4:05 am

      and of course the club’s lack of success left them no choice but to nurture young talents they have. BUT that’s may point, without this calciopoli ‘disaster’ this would not have happened!

      Moggi didn’t have luxury? oh come on…..he sold players not because he needed money to afford another. Zidane was sold simply because the player didn’t have the same motivation anymore, and why would you hold on to someone like that?
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    handyFri Feb 24 at 2:54 pm

    Saya sudah jatuh cinta pada juve sejak era baggio, Calciopoli hampir membuat saya melakukan hal yg sama pernah dilakukan Pessoto, namun akhirnya hanya menambah 2 hal bg hidup saya, reborn as a juventini and dying to see merda suffering.

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